When I ported this game to the PC, I noticed gameplay problem in that because enemy aircraft homed in on you, then hung around the last place they saw you, with enough dying/respawning you'd end up with them over your base, so you'd get pounded when trying to take off. I solved that by adding anti-aircraft guns at the base, with the help of Paul Hunter ( one of the 2 authors ), but I don't think that ever made it back to the Atari/Amiga versions, as I'm fairly sure they were out by the time I got the port work, and no patching back then.
Ahh, I just remembered F29 retaliator. I loved that and spent months on that. The ST didnt fair too bad here but, there had to be a sound difference somewhere between them (intro) 🙂 thanks for sharing
The Amiga had much better hardware (except clock speed), so the fact that they look so close is a testament to the genius work that the ST programmers had in pushing the limits of the machine. Most of the time (95%) the Amiga looks and sounds better because it was.
Lol @ all the fanboism even after 2 decades. Anyway, price of an ST 520 was 800$, price of an amiga 500 at the same time was 1800$. Yet apart from soundchip and 2D scrolling the ST kept pace with amiga while being 1000$ cheaper lol.
The pilot in the Amiga version does not twist and turn so much. … Is this to hide the Amiga's terrible frame rate, in which the Atari ST nails this game so badly over the twice as expensive Amiga.
Amiga is 7mhz, Atari is 8mhz, however the difference in FPS seems to be greater than that. Look at when the platform lowers and new craft is launched to the surface, Amiga is a slideshow. Why? Is there some other hardware tricks the Atari uses? Does the Amiga use more colours in the 3d part or something? Or maybe using the sound hardware slows it down a little bit.
Amiga sounds and looks better but I would prefer to play this game on the Atari. So I can understand why people bought Atari back in the 80's considering it was almost half the price! Very good bang for buck
I had 6 ST machines at one point many years after first owning one. It's a great machine despite it's obvious comparitive failings to the Amiga. Still regularly play both. ST owners are pretty much the worse fanboys it has to be said largely turning differences into massive victories. Personally I loved the ST for it atmosphere which is very different to the Amiga. Visa versa because I also adore the Amiga for it's sunnier atmosphere from using it. In the same way as the Snes was sunny and the Megadrive cloudy regards to their colour schemes etc
Amiga leaves the st behind. The hardware was just much better that why today the amiga lives on because you can do so much with the hardware. Sorry ST you was always in second place to the best.
I never played this game but I prefer the Amiga version . The Atari has better frame rate but it uses less colors . The Amiga graphics are better , the sound is better , and the slightly slower speed is still playable . So , for me , it looks more enjoyable . The Atari sound effects are poor and a bit annoying .
The chopper on the ST sounds like a lady dusting carpets… St fanboys are so bitter cause they got screwed in buying their machine only to find out there was a better one out there at the time, so to make up for wasting their money they go like "ohhh look there is an extra frame here, we win" over what is maybe 1% of the games library, ignoring being trumped on 99% of the cases
The ST version is buggy as hell. Has anyone genuinely completed the ST version? I had the PC one as well, which was much better, even on the 286 I had in the day.
Amiga was simply awesome. Couldn't say the same about the Atari ST. Loved the 800XL though. I still play on my original 500 and 1200 to this day. Good video.
Ah, those drives! Psygnosis always gave great intros. That static 2D splash screen has absolutely nothing to do with the look of the game mind you, there's no snow!
Atari pissing on the Amiga fanboys chips yet again in this game….must be sad to have forked out extra for your games console and have it outperformed throughout the 80s by the cheaper faster ST computer both professionally and in most games….then finally in the 90s the Amiga begins to slowly eclipse its nemesis on the gaming front only to find the dedicated 16bit consoles now launch and cut its legs out from under it. Serious gamers jumped ship to proper games machines at that point while the poor Amiga fanboys were left to celebrate victories against the ST that never were….lets not begrudge them this as it must have been one of the few things, besides babylon 5, that made the pain of nursing their beloved girlfriend substitute to oblivion over the course of the 90s more bearable.
@Dalroi1
09.12.2023When I ported this game to the PC, I noticed gameplay problem in that because enemy aircraft homed in on you, then hung around the last place they saw you, with enough dying/respawning you'd end up with them over your base, so you'd get pounded when trying to take off. I solved that by adding anti-aircraft guns at the base, with the help of Paul Hunter ( one of the 2 authors ), but I don't think that ever made it back to the Atari/Amiga versions, as I'm fairly sure they were out by the time I got the port work, and no patching back then.
dlfrsilver
19.10.2023the trackloading on the amiga is incredibly more fast than the one on the atari ST.
Arcadiality
19.10.2023Ahh, I just remembered F29 retaliator. I loved that and spent months on that. The ST didnt fair too bad here but, there had to be a sound difference somewhere between them (intro) 🙂 thanks for sharing
SlimMixer
19.10.20231 : 0 for Amiga!!
Tyborg82
19.10.2023I absolutely loved this game as a kid!. I have a pirate of the second game but could never get it to work :(.
Thanks for the upload!
Steve Jones
19.10.2023I always thought the Amiga was the superior machine IMO.
stunthumb
19.10.2023Amiga wins in terms of sound and colour, but the ST is just that little bit smoother on the 3D, which is what's important in a 3D game 😀
Anyway, this is Psygnosis – they never had much love for the ST, I mean why is everything so bloody green!
Jeff Fulton
18.10.2023The Amiga had much better hardware (except clock speed), so the fact that they look so close is a testament to the genius work that the ST programmers had in pushing the limits of the machine. Most of the time (95%) the Amiga looks and sounds better because it was.
Ronnie Bradley
18.10.2023Close one this tbh but I think the Amiga just edges it but both are very good.
Michael Gordon
18.10.2023nice comparison :).. Amiga rulez 🙂
(sure on atari looks darker cause it has not subtle color palete to choose from)
Arkadiusz Florczyk
18.10.2023again 1:0 for Atari for better framerate
sorry amigas 🙂
GzegzolkaDA
18.10.2023Amiga even with more colors is looser here, Atari wins be faster frame-rate.
Falcon050 ATRYSTOS
18.10.2023ATARIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kaiten
18.10.2023Amiga has better sound and color but st has better framerate. Seems that the atari´s 8mhz are most visible using polygons.
VectorOmega
18.10.2023If this could be remade for…let's say a 68040 AGA Amiga…what would this game be like now?
peterkray
18.10.2023Lol @ all the fanboism even after 2 decades. Anyway, price of an ST 520 was 800$, price of an amiga 500 at the same time was 1800$. Yet apart from soundchip and 2D scrolling the ST kept pace with amiga while being 1000$ cheaper lol.
The BIG Consultant
18.10.2023The pilot in the Amiga version does not twist and turn so much. … Is this to hide the Amiga's terrible frame rate, in which the Atari ST nails this game so badly over the twice as expensive Amiga.
tosgem
16.10.2023Amiga is 7mhz, Atari is 8mhz, however the difference in FPS seems to be greater than that. Look at when the platform lowers and new craft is launched to the surface, Amiga is a slideshow. Why? Is there some other hardware tricks the Atari uses? Does the Amiga use more colours in the 3d part or something? Or maybe using the sound hardware slows it down a little bit.
Amiga sounds and looks better but I would prefer to play this game on the Atari. So I can understand why people bought Atari back in the 80's considering it was almost half the price! Very good bang for buck
Adro Harv
16.10.2023I had 6 ST machines at one point many years after first owning one. It's a great machine despite it's obvious comparitive failings to the Amiga. Still regularly play both. ST owners are pretty much the worse fanboys it has to be said largely turning differences into massive victories. Personally I loved the ST for it atmosphere which is very different to the Amiga. Visa versa because I also adore the Amiga for it's sunnier atmosphere from using it. In the same way as the Snes was sunny and the Megadrive cloudy regards to their colour schemes etc
Michael Mitchell
16.10.2023Amiga leaves the st behind. The hardware was just much better that why today the amiga lives on because you can do so much with the hardware. Sorry ST you was always in second place to the best.
Illegalquantity
16.10.2023I never played this game but I prefer the Amiga version . The Atari has better frame rate but it uses less colors . The Amiga graphics are better , the sound is better , and the slightly slower speed is still playable . So , for me , it looks more enjoyable . The Atari sound effects are poor and a bit annoying .
way2muchNFO
16.10.2023it was 1989.
Pareto-Optima
16.10.2023Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiibiiiiiiiiibeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebibubibubeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebebebebebebebebeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebibubibubeeeeeeeeeeee…………..
Dimitrios Krommydas
16.10.2023The chopper on the ST sounds like a lady dusting carpets… St fanboys are so bitter cause they got screwed in buying their machine only to find out there was a better one out there at the time, so to make up for wasting their money they go like "ohhh look there is an extra frame here, we win" over what is maybe 1% of the games library, ignoring being trumped on 99% of the cases
Boilerhouse Garage
16.10.2023The ST version is buggy as hell. Has anyone genuinely completed the ST version? I had the PC one as well, which was much better, even on the 286 I had in the day.
Sclemoid Fandango
16.10.2023Amiga was simply awesome. Couldn't say the same about the Atari ST. Loved the 800XL though.
I still play on my original 500 and 1200 to this day. Good video.
Rick Dangerous
16.10.2023the haunting sound of the jet engines still is the best even today. Anyone play this with the Null modem adapter?
combcomclrlsr
15.10.2023The Amiga version doesn't use its built-in GPU support for polygon drawing. The polygons are all CPU drawn, just like the ST version. Disappointing.
Greg Skuza
15.10.2023Something is not right here. Atari version runs way to fast. What is your emulator set up like?
Lee Mitchener
15.10.2023Wow so much faster on the st.!
HeLL Be hemoth
15.10.2023ENG How do you switch graphics modes in Atari?
Dryer. XD
PL Czym się przełącza w Atari tryby graficzne?
Suszarką.
hahahahha AMIGA RULESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jaroslaw Kloc
15.10.2023ATARI ST ver. is faster 3D!
Marcus Kingstanley
15.10.2023Knock knock! Whos there? Armour Geddon! Armour Geddon who? Armour Geddon this game!
Lord Dsp
15.10.2023Atari dev : what should we remove to have a decent framerate ? Uh almost everything !
Excelsior's Domain
15.10.2023Ah, those drives! Psygnosis always gave great intros. That static 2D splash screen has absolutely nothing to do with the look of the game mind you, there's no snow!
mwaawm
15.10.2023Atari pissing on the Amiga fanboys chips yet again in this game….must be sad to have forked out extra for your games console and have it outperformed throughout the 80s by the cheaper faster ST computer both professionally and in most games….then finally in the 90s the Amiga begins to slowly eclipse its nemesis on the gaming front only to find the dedicated 16bit consoles now launch and cut its legs out from under it. Serious gamers jumped ship to proper games machines at that point while the poor Amiga fanboys were left to celebrate victories against the ST that never were….lets not begrudge them this as it must have been one of the few things, besides babylon 5, that made the pain of nursing their beloved girlfriend substitute to oblivion over the course of the 90s more bearable.