Let’s talk terminators, and how hard they can be to shift from the battlefields of 40K…
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0:00 Intro
0:44 Terminators
3:36 Space Marines
7:12 Grey Knights
9:12 Thousand Sons
11:05 Death Guard
13:15 Overall Toughness
Michael Hartley
16.05.2022Played against some Ultramarine terminators the other day, gotta hand it to them, low ap just doesn't do it
But I was thankful for the high ap attacks of my Trygon Prime, especially with the Sear Hive and Heightened Senses – killed 5 of them in a single round of combat 😎
Raven Coldheart
15.05.2022The GKs can bring a pretty big amount of Denys, so MW spam could maybe somewhat mitigated.
Brandon Jeffries
15.05.2022This is complete disrespect to custodes.. they nerfed custodes durability. Then make entire armies more tanky than them
TheJestor
15.05.2022I might run my deathwing again.. or my ironwarrior spearhead
Δημήτρης Ντάβοσ
15.05.2022its pretty stupid that space marines get armour on the same level as space marines
C B
15.05.2022The rule should only apply to shooting. It is now impossible to shift terminators even with expensive melee units like beserkers
UnseamlyTangent
15.05.2022Custodes suck now yay
J Provorse
15.05.2022I took 3 party busses full of berserkers, 2 chaos leviathans and my own fat blob of terminators against a full deathwing termi list. Didn’t stand a chance. Pretty oppressive. Watched him do the same thing vs craftworld as well.
Mathias Laron
15.05.2022I think I may need to smite spam now as my buffs do little to allow my shurikens to pierce😔
HastatiiGaming
15.05.2022Shame it doesn't work on custodes 😭
JinzoMask656
15.05.2022This is how Terminators need to be! I'm thankful for GW in this. Now, I hope Chaos Gate Demonhunters can learn from this so my Terminators can stop being murdered by little autoguns…
Antonio Ricardo
12.05.2022Only change that I would make is that AoC apply only to shooting. Melee was never an issue this edition
Victor-Stefan Dumitrescu
12.05.2022Well i just finished 40 terminators soooooooooooooooo
Richard_N
12.05.2022GW probably needs to up the points cost by 5 for terminators now. They are just that strong.
John J. Spurgin
12.05.2022yeah, AoC feels like it's done a bit too much. Perhaps if AoC was conditional?
Mind, I'm definitely biased because I can't get over the factions that this change absolutely destroys. Necrons and Orks were already reeling.
Dude McFurgusson
12.05.2022Terminators getting AoC but Sacresancts not makes me a sad sisters player.
Christopher Greer
12.05.2022Salamander terminators now also have Salamander psychic powers on their side for extra durability AND no re roll wounds against them!
Metalmachine18
12.05.2022I really want to see someone actually shoot 540 Bolt Rifle shots at a terminator. That feels so cinematic, these walking tanks trudging through a hailstorm of fire
David Hobbs
12.05.2022This is just way too mutch, Terminators in a 5 man squad are now more durable than a leman russ, classic power creep, 1 why does this apply to vehicles as well, 2. RAW this makes ap 0 ap+1, wtf, why is a gun adding saves?
3. This is not needed, just reduce the ap of select weapons that are a problem. And stop adding ap-1 to everything.
4. This issue could be solved by increasing situational cover rules rather than flat buffs
5. Fuck GW not coming in now until they clean up this mess of a game.
SirBaconBuster
12.05.2022As a TSons and Tau player, I feel very conflicted.
Bootleg Crusader
12.05.2022My favorite combo, terminator light cover
Steiner Scout
11.05.2022I have no problem with this. They are terminators AKA tactical dreadnoughts. They should be tough. Glad to see them finally as they should be.
Ben Foden
11.05.2022i still find i funny how thousand sons effectively ignore there own AP on there guns with this change
Denise Lalonde
11.05.2022* laughs in 51 deathwing terminators.
jordan Cole
11.05.2022Just finished painting ten space wolf terminators with storm shields and storm bolters…. Don't know how to feel about this change.
Sean Palmer
11.05.2022This is just one of the reasons I think it's the stupidest update done in years
TheDoctor
11.05.2022I'm boosting what some have already said, but don't discount Salamander Terminators! Given that we can boost the toughness of them on top of denying wound rerolls made against our units is a very nice durability boost!
Xshadowx32 HD
11.05.2022No regular chaos terminator combo?
Leroy
11.05.2022I was already looking at adding more terminators to my list.
You'd have to have AP -5 or better to force me to use the invuln. save. Bring my Assault Terminators to 10 and swap over to lightning claws to force my opponent to make more saves. Grab a terminator chaplain to go with them for Canticle and Exortation. Being in Salamanders and ignoring wound rerolls against me makes this decision easier.
Alexander Versnel
11.05.2022Man, I remember when Necrons were the faction known for their gauss weapons through any armour, no matter how tough.
Now a terminator in cover basically gets a 2+vs pretty much any gauss weapon…
Chris Beausoleil
11.05.2022I own a big mix of unopened Dark Angels boxes including Primaris and Firstbornand I'm nervous that GW will be forcing first born out, maybe starting with the 2.0 Codex. I'd hate to open up my 5-6 boxes of Deathwing Termies, 4 Boxes of RavenWingBikers with 2 attack bikes and Lansspeed Vengeance to see them go legends within a year.
Javier Escuela
10.05.2022Wow, thanks for making me feel bad that I have an oops all terminator GK list that I bought from eBay like 6 months ago.
Connor Cowan
10.05.2022Tau Railgun: "I'm not the hero you deserve…but I'm the hero you need."
Ark
10.05.2022Little disappointed you didn't address the durability of units who also have a 2+ save as base in this.
Centurions are t5, 2+base and can go down to an affective -1 as iron hands.
Tim Underbakke
10.05.2022Looking forward to trying my Scarabs and their new armor of contempt for the first time this coming weekend.
Nicolas M.
10.05.2022I a word without so much penetration creep, terminator armor would simply give +1W 2+4++SV and new +1T.
You'd have Scouts & Phobos at T4, W2, SV4+ (+1"M)
Tactical & Intercessor at T4, W2, SV3+
Heavy Intercessor at T5, W2, SV3+
Gravis at T5, W3, SV3+ (-1"M)
Centurion at T5, W4, SV2+ (-1"M)
Terminator at T5, W3, SV2+4++ (-1"M)
Flip Killer
10.05.2022This makes the Chaos Termy Lord with a Thunder Hammer much more scarier.
Shadowhulk72
10.05.2022What!? Power armor is actually powerful!? you cant just shoot through it with everything easily in the game?! WOW!!!
greg gillespie
10.05.2022All I’m hearing as a guard player is “assume the position”
Frozt001
10.05.2022All termi army was why I left in 5th as I kept getting swept off the table. Not really liking this news.
Daniel Hammer
10.05.2022And im just sitting here paying 30 points for mega nobz feeling jealous as hell.
Gilles Melet
09.05.2022I'm playing my first tournament with TS in 2 weeks and I hope my block of 10 scarab occult terminators in centre of the board will distract opponent from concentrating his firepower to bring down Magnus
Marcin Obuchowski
09.05.2022Put an apothecary with obsec trait with paladins and watch your enemy hate you!
TamTheThird
09.05.2022“An unyielding anvil that’s almost impossible to shift”
Ah! Lore == Rules, how strange! 🤔
Adam Louis
09.05.2022im running 2×10 blightlords in my next game with a plague surgeon.
Cloudian~
09.05.2022I truely love DG, they are my main army always have been. They are still bottom 5 army with armour of contempt. Because they can't play the board against a anyone with a brain. Fortunately, the majority of players just walk forward and roll dice, so DG dominant average boards. I perfer them in a space like this. But I still dont see why they dont have a FnP now, they where getting rid of FnP's and extra dice rolls at the start of 9th.. look at the game now, FnP's everywhere again. Give DG back thier shit, even if it's just army wide FnP on 6's. There is no justification anymore since they fairly quickly started adding dice rolls on dice roll back to the game rolls eyes
Brother Mathius
09.05.2022I recently played a game with this rule and Jesus it made it hard to remove models
Dan The Gamer Khan
09.05.2022White scars termies lets goooooi
Justin Moore
09.05.2022A little sad there wasn't an honorable mention for 2 terminators.
Salamanders who have a strat for essentially an all is dust style save and you can't reroll wounds against them.
and
Imperial Fists…. I know shocking right but they may have the potentially most durable terminators. They have two strats that can stack to give a 0+ save plus cover (so effectively a -2 with AOC and cover included) (shield unwavering and bolster defenses). Also a 6+ fnp vs anything in case you are out of apothecary range with pain is a lesson. Use their successor the exorcists and they get baby transhuman and 5+ fnp vs mortals… but they also get a relic to give a character +1 save and permanent transhuman. I think if you are trying to play the durability game fists are the way to go.
Lindsay Wheatcroft
09.05.2022I love my Word Bearers Anointed, but I’m not going to be fielding them anytime soon. This edition’s bloat gives me a headache, and piling a ‘the poster boys have higher endurance’ rule on top of the last twelve months of various ‘armour basically means nothing any more’ rules makes that problem worse. And that’s if I can even get half a dozen over-illuminated PDF’s to load on my five year old tablet.
Give everyone a codex then do another reset to indexhammer with an all-in-one app that’s optimised for speed and a rules set that doesn’t require tables conform to obscure ITC standards to avoid a leafblower situation and I might come back.